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An Online Discussion with
Marilyn Duncan, author

Date:  August 6-9, 2007
Place: TLN Listserve


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       Of Discussion:
     Getting the School Year Off to a
     Great Start in Kindergarten and
     Beyond... Organizing and Planning
     for Classroom Teaching

  Author of
  The Kindergarten Book: A Guide to Literacy
  Instruction  and
  Literacy Coaching: Developing Effective Teaching Through
  Instructional Dialogue




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Opening Remarks
Darcy Bradley

                                                                                                Darcy Bradley

Hello Again, Colleagues, Friends, Students (or all of the above!),  

The topic of discussion over the next 4 days (Monday-Thursday, August 6-9, at least in the US) is one that we all grapple with, no matter the grade we teach: Getting the School Year Off to a Great Start in Kindergarten and Beyond…Organizing and Planning for Classroom Teaching.  Author, teacher and staff developer Marilyn Duncan is our featured discussant but we are sure that you will have a lot to comment upon, question, and add to the discussion. Those of you who have subscribed to our listserve over the past year will recognize Marilyn’s name from a previous conversation about instructional coaching. (You can find a transcript of that discussion on our website at www.rcowen.com).  

I just had the pleasure of talking with Marilyn about getting a good learning community going in my current and upcoming college classroom, and already thinking of ways to streamline my teaching! So there’s a lot of truth in the old saw  “everything you need to know you can learn in kindergarten” if you recall the popular best seller of similar title from several years ago by Robert Fulghum.  

So, here are questions to consider as a conversation starter:  

1). What is it that you think about and do in order to ensure a great start to the school year? I’m first thinking about this concept for kindergarten but I wonder if you could make some generalizations to other grade levels and even instructional coaches or teachers of adults as well?  

2). You’ve been teaching a variety of age levels over many years. Can you talk a little about how your thinking about school year starts has changed over time? (In other words, what did you used to do, what did you change over time, and why)?  

I realize that these are two very big questions and you might just want to choose only one, Marilyn. 

Hope that others will chime in with questions and comments over the 4 days, as you desire. Don’t forget to change the subject line when you have a question or comment that changes the topic. It really helps keep the threads more clear. Also, help the listserve readers by using paragraphs for any response of length.  

Looking forward to the next 4 days with all of you! 

Very cordially and appreciatively,  

Darcy

                                                                                   Marilyn  Duncan

Thank you Richard and Darcy for providing another opportunity for us to talk together about teaching and learning.  

It is indeed winter here on the South Island of New Zealand where the weather has been described as “dodgy” this year. Today it’s warm (everything is relative) and sunny – tomorrow calls for snow. The mountains out the window are stunning but I have to say that I’m going to look forward to returning to Colorado in a few weeks and enjoying the end of summer.

At this time of year, I begin dreaming about the start of the school year. My dreams are usually more like nightmares and are a visual reminder of some of the mistakes I made over the years. So I’m sure it won’t be difficult to combine the two basic questions:

• What is it that you think about and do in order to ensure a great start to the school year?
• Can you talk a little about how your thinking about school year starts has changed over time?

Also, while materials and spaces differ depending upon the age and stage of development of learners, my beliefs about starting the school year and developing a learning community are consistent regardless of who I work with. So hopefully this discussion will be meaningful for everyone. Please do not hesitate to ask for clarification when needed.
 
As I plan for the beginning of the school year, I think about the middle!  I ask myself, “In the best of all worlds, what would I expect to see if I walked into my classroom in January or February?”

• What would the physical space look like if you walked into my room?
• What would the students be doing?
• What would the teacher be doing?
• How would I know that students are learning?

If I can picture the product, then I’m more likely to understand the process needed to get me there. If I have a strong sense of what it looks and sounds like when it works, then I should be able to clearly communicate that picture to my students. And because the business of the classroom is learning, I should be armed with the information that informs how students will use their time and how I will use my time as well.
 
So planning for the beginning of the year means I will be thinking about:

• Creating learning spaces – knowing how space will be used and how materials will be organized and accessed
• Communicating expectations – helping students understand the classroom as a community and developing the skills to manage their time so I can manage their learning
• Gathering learning information – unless I gather information about what each student knows and can do, then I am unable to determine what that student needs to learn next.

I will post three additional messages about my basic thoughts related to creating learning spaces, communicating expectations, and gathering learning information.
 
I look forward to hearing what you think, ideas you have used, and any questions you might have.
 
Kind regards,
Marilyn Duncan

                                                                                              Marilyn

Creating Learning Spaces

Dear Friends,
 
If I go back to that picture of how the classroom looks in February, I see a classroom where everyone is learning. Children are engaged in independent work, in pairs, in small groups, and some are working with me. There is flexibility in the way students move around the room. The room is not quiet but neither is it noisy.
 
In order for that vision to become reality, I know I must wisely consider how learning spaces are created and their purpose.
 
Chapter 4, in The Kindergarten Book could describe learning spaces in any classroom.
 
“The classroom environment is organized for learning. Spaces are arranged to enable learning to occur easily and naturally, spaces for the whole class to gather for instruction and spaces to work with small groups. Teachers need easy access to move around the room with individual children.”
 
So if this is a classroom for learning then learning spaces are not places to keep kids busy. They are designed for instruction and for the application and practice of skills that students have been taught in whole group and small group instruction. I need to be able to clearly articulate the purpose of each space and how it will support student learning.
 
One strategy I have used to plan learning spaces has been to write down my answers to these questions:

• What spaces will support the learning and independence of my students?
• What materials need to be in this space (teacher and student)
• What will the students be expected to do?
• What might I observe about student learning in that space?

I know learning spaces need to be both predictable and orderly.
 
For example, I know the benefit of students reading independently, so I have created a library space. I have determined what I would expect to see when students are engaged in reading independently. My students understand the purpose of the classroom library and how it works. And while the materials in the library will change based upon student interests, the curriculum, and the stage of development of the readers the expectations for the library space are always the same – no surprises.
 
Materials need to be easily accessible to both my students and me. Expectations are set for how these materials will be used and returned – more about that in the next message.
 
Please feel free to share ideas about how you have planned the learning spaces in your classrooms.
 
Kind regards,
Marilyn

                                                                                              Lori

 I love the questions.  When I was in the classroom, I was fanatical about room arrangement.   One of my big issues is with cute. I don’t like cute and especially hate cute in the form of bulletin boards.  I want the walls, not just the floor spaces, to support the work of children done in the room.  I could ask myself the same set of questions with regards to the walls.

What displays will support the learning and independence of my students?
What materials need to be displayed in this space to support that end?
How will students be expected to use the space?
What will I observe kids doing?  How will it support their learning?

Lori

                                                                                              Marilyn

Dear Lori,

Thanks for the additional questions that deal with the walls. I am also a real believer in using the walls as learning opportunities. Your questions support my thinking below...

Something that I have had to learn is making certain the wall space is also predictable and orderly. When I walk into rooms, I try to look at access information through the eyes of a struggling learner or a second language learner. If we want the walls to be learning supports, are they predictable (I always know that information about mathematics is on this wall) and orderly (the information has been arranged so that I can use it easily).

I think back to a kindergarten student I was working with. He was trying to accessing the letter “r” in order to write about a rocket. He did not have an alphabet card in his hand to use and the only alphabet I could find in the room was on top of the white boards. I was trying to use a strategy that I use with children and their alphabet cards.  I asked him to look up above the board. I said, “Rocket starts like rabbit (the picture that was with the letter ‘r’) what letter is that?” He looked, and looked, and looked, and said, “There isn’t one of those up there.”  It was a great opportunity for me to talk with the teacher about how important resources (on the wall, in the hand, on the shelf) are to kids and how easily they must be accessed.

Marilyn

                                                                                             Cheryl 

Marilyn,

I will be teaching 3rd graders this year after 12 in K-1. I know how important accessibility is in Primary. Is it as important in 3rd? (ie: alphabet at eye level, etc?) Thank you for such an engaging conversation.

Cheryl in Colorado

                                                                                              Marilyn

Hi Cheryl,

Congratulations on making the shift to third grade. Changing grade levels every once in awhile is the best thing we can do for ourselves professionally. It certainly makes us think in different ways.

I think accessibility is important at any age. Actually, I just reorganized our books here at home and the #1 request from my husband was for all of the reference books to be on the same shelf.

Probably what we have to be asking ourselves is what do the learners at this age need access to? At grade 3, they most likely do not need the alphabet frieze at eye level but they will probably need the “questions we ask ourselves when we proofread our writing” (which as a class we will have gathered together). So your job as you plan for the start of the year is to make some predictions about what they will need.

As you’re planning you can really be focused on some of those questions from yesterday --

• What spaces (including the walls) will support the learning and independence of my students?
• What materials will support the learning of my students?  
• What materials need to be displayed in this space to support the independence of my students? (Lori’s wall space question)

And I’d probably add --

• How will I organize these materials or this wall space, to be easily accessed by my students?

The more students are able to access what they need, the more independent they will become, the more learning will occur for them, and the teacher will be able to get to the job of instruction.

Marilyn

                                                                                   Cheryl

Marilyn,

Thank you. The last few days I have attended some conversations with our new principal and other staff members that has stretched my thinking. I feel like I am a first year teacher again and it is extremely exciting yet scary at the same time. The level of assessments, student skills, etc is slightly overwhelming. This online conversation has come at the perfect time.

Thank you for being willing to share your time and expertise with us.

Cheryl

                                                                                                      Linda

Great start!  But forget 'cute' in high school!

I work with 'struggling' adolescents in high school intensive reading classrooms.  My students have encountered repeated failures in school.  They are diverse in their interests outside of the classroom.  They are not self-directed 'in school'.  I try to create a family atmosphere in my classes from the first day.

Can you provide some ideas for the first few days of school with adolescents?

Thanks.
Linda Janney

                                                                                             Marilyn

Hi Linda,

One of the things that Peter and I talk about in a book for beginning teachers is power, authority, influence, and control.
 
These four qualities concerned with learning need to be balanced. We have the power to determine what our students do and what they should learn and what they should not. Our power as teachers is little short of absolute so it has to be exercised with sensitivity. Obviously, it should never be abused.

We are also in authority. We know more than our students; that’s why we’re the teachers. It’s our job to manage learning and manage behavior. Establishing and maintaining control is essential for kids’ learning and our sanity.

We have influence as well. When we have established trust and respect, we will be able to influence the way our students think and act. That too is a powerful tool that has to be used with discretion.

“Power, authority, and influence in learning you always have as a teacher; control is divisible. Your goal should be to vest more control over the learning process with your students; you want them to become less dependent on you; you want them to become independent learners.” (Beginning Teachers, in draft)

It seems to me that the farther up the grades we go, the less control students actually have over their learning – especially adolescents who are already labeled as struggling.  

I admire that you are creating a family atmosphere in your classroom. I think the first few days would be spent building upon that idea.

I would be thinking a lot about how to increase engagement and motivation.  Here are some ideas...

• I would talk with these kids about how the 90/50 minutes would be used in our classroom (some time for whole group instruction, some time for reading and writing, and time for me to work with small groups).
• I would talk with them about the givens (they are expected to read and write daily) and the choices (they will have a lot of choice in what they will read and what they will write about).  
• I’d be looking for the most engaging short stories that I could read aloud to them so they would realize that there is a lot out there they might like to read and I’d probably read aloud to them several times during the first few weeks.
• I’d be talking with them about how readers select what they want to read. I’d be bent on having a variety of materials that would be of interest to these students from novels to magazines.
• I would meet with them in small groups for assessment purposes, once again selecting a short piece that we could read together and begin to talk about (even though for the most part, struggling readers have rarely been asked to talk about what they’re reading). I would convince them by my actions that the learning information that I’m collecting is not about them being right or wrong but about helping me decide what they need to learn next. I’d be talking with them in groups about when reading is hard and when reading is easy.
• I would help them begin to see how they can plan how they’ll use their time during the class period. (You are expected to accomplish these goals during the week, but how you use your time is negotiable). I would give them lots of examples of how kids have used their time in your classroom effectively. I would be pointing out when I see individuals or small groups making effective decisions about how they use their time.
• I would be planning for some initial work in pairs and small groups because I know what adolescents like best is to talk with each other.
• At the end of each class period, I would ask them to evaluate what went well and what they might change the next time they come to class.

I did quite a bit of work this year in one secondary school. The first visit was spent walking through the school with the administrators. We were focused on one grade level, so I saw the same kids over and over again in science, social studies, math, and language arts classes. There was a particularly effective language arts teacher in this grade and we walked into her room in the middle of the day. It was as if the kids I saw in her room were totally different students than when I saw them in different subjects. They were highly engaged and highly motivated. When I asked a couple of them about the difference they all said it was about choice. That in this room, they were able to choose how they would use their time and often who they would be working with. They talked about the fact that their teacher expected a lot of them but that she was fair because she told them what they needed to do and helped them do it. They had confidence and exhibited a lot of independence.

Developing independence is a gradual process, especially with kids who have not made choices for most of their school careers. In the end you want your students to understand that “this is the way we do things in our classroom; this is the way we learn here, this is how I have to learn.”

Best wishes on a great start,
Marilyn

                                                                                                       Linda

Thank you so much.  I think you are dead on right about the importance of making choices when it comes to working with adolescents.  And yes, they do love to work in small groups where they can chat.  Keeping them engaged in the assignments can be challenging when trying to prepare them for those LONG & BORING tests that they have to take every year! 

You have given me some sound and sensible ideas for the first few weeks over which I can ponder. 

I still find it difficult to work with a small group because when you are working with one group, the others get easily distracted.  I do set up my room so the desks are clustered together, and the kids can collaborate easily. With teenagers, that arrangement is a double edged sword. 

Thanks again!

                                                                                            Marilyn

Hi Linda,

I’m pleased the information was helpful.   A couple of thoughts about small group instruction and what the others are doing...

First thing I ask myself is how long my small groups are. At the beginning of the year, especially, I try to make them very short. My feeling is that most kids can only sustain about 15 minutes without some sort of interaction from me. The advantage of working with more proficient readers in groups is that I would often say to them – go ahead and read the next four pages – then I’d be checking with each of the table groups to see how they are progressing.

Also, my kids had daily (or weekly) planning sheets, where they set short-term goals for their work. I was very explicit about what my expectations were for what they would accomplish (in other words, I set the medium and long-term goals). They were responsible for setting the short-term goals (e.g. This is what I’ll accomplish today/this week toward my goal). This way it was their problem when they weren’t working and not mine.

And this is where divisible part of the control comes in.  If kids are unable to set and reach those short-term goals, then I begin to monitor their daily planning more closely and see if that helps. If not, then do the planning for them. I usually ask kids for help when making those decisions. I might say to them that I noticed they were having a tough time meeting the short-term goals – what might we do to help solve that problem?  Many times the kids themselves would suggest moving away from the group for part of the time.

And occasionally, I’d have to make the decision for them.  But always leaving the door open for them to make better use of their time.

Marilyn

                                                                                             Linda

I love the idea of planning sheets (more to ponder).  Now I'm wondering what it would look like.   

Your input is very helpful.  Keeping adolescents engaged is very difficult.  In fact, as a student, I am difficult to engage!  Shortening the time is what I would have done with my first graders.  It's amazing how similar the two age groups can be.   

Linda

14                                                                                             Marilyn 

• to help students manage their time (If they know they are scheduled to meet with the teacher in a small group and an editing conference, they will have to determine how to manage the rest of their time to accomplish their daily (short-term) goal.
• to organize how students will be practicing/applying what they have been taught
• to help the student articulate short-term goals that are process oriented, more than product oriented
• to provide the teacher with another quick assessment tool as to how the students are taking responsibility for their use of time, and engagement in learning

                                                                                                        Leslie

Marilyn, 

As a literacy coach in grades K-8, and formerly a reading teacher in grades 6-8, I am well aware of the frustrations of the middle school ELA teachers.  Anything I can do to help them achieve some organization and expectations for kids, is a blessing for them.  They often complain about their students’ lack of focus during independent reading time.  They claim that the kids "can't do it"!  Why were they so capable in grades K-5?  I think it might have to do with a lack of clear expectations and guidelines, which brings me to my question about the kids setting their own short-term goals. 

So, let's see...what kind of short-term goals might they set?

1.  Quantity of reading
2.  Variety of reading within genres
3.   Focusing on one particular strategy
4.   Responding more critically

etc, etc Am I on the right track? 

Leslie
Lit Coach
NYC

                                                                                             Marilyn

                                                                                                Freida

I love cute and I am the queen of cute.  When I started, over 30 years ago, I did all the work, but now my students do the work.  They have so much more ownership.  I do teach at the university, but I know it works in schools because my students, now teachers, take it to their classrooms, and I learned it from an excellent second grade teacher. 

Day one, everything is piled in the middle of the room, chairs, tables, books.  We sit on the floor and discuss what we want the class to be, what we want to learn, what we expect (a classroom scribe does all the writing, in younger classes the teacher does take dictation).  

We do a social contract, how each student wants to be treated by others, how they expect to be treated by me the teacher, how they expect to treat me as the teacher, and how we will handle conflict.    

Then we go about arranging the room, where will desks, chairs, charts, and books be placed, and students place them in the classroom.  They organize the books into genres and I do not have to remind them or clean up after them and put them back into the right basket (I have a block class longer than the average hour university class).    

Day two, we review what students said they wanted the class to be, what they wanted to learn, so we talk about procedures to carry out that kind of a classroom.  Of course I “gently lead and suggest ideas” that I have seen work and give choices. 

We may decide that if they need to talk to me they need a sign up sheet and we post it in the room, or if they want name plates to get to know everyone, then they may decide to turn their name plates a certain way to signal that they need a conference with me. 

Because the students do this, and I have emphasized to them how much it is “their” room, it is cute!  They write neatly, they take digital pictures; they bring stickers and scrapbook supplies.  I have a student who is in an alternative school and no adolescents are more “at risk” and “struggling” than they are and it works there and it is cute.  Well, it is “alternative cute” , but then I listen to rap and pop music so cute is relative.  

Freida

                                                                                   Cheryl

Freida,

I love this idea! Not only does it help the students have ownership in the classroom, it sounds like a fantastic way to introduce rules, expectations, etc in a very exciting, engaging way!

Cheryl in Colorado

                                                                                 Marilyn

Dear Freida,

This is a great model for university students about how good it feels to have some control over your environment and your learning. I think what I hear you saying is that while the students are making the decisions about how the classroom will look and what they are interested in learning, you also have a picture in your mind of what success will look like for them (and for you).

Marilyn

                                                                                       Lori

When I use cute, I mean all that commercial cutesy junk—big-eyed children and butterflies... 

Lori

                                                                                   Freida

However, when my students bring in the scrap book stuff it is exactly the kind of stuff that you see in the prepackaged teacher store.  They make it, so they have ownership and they like cute.  

Freida

                                                                                          Kathy

“Cute” has a place.  When those anxious kindergarten parents arrive at the door, I invite them into a lifetime partnership as they take their first steps into that cute classroom. Made as cute as possible is a first teaching point.  It may be an oversize word worm to launch the study of high frequency words to support readers and writers.  As words are introduced and practiced, the worm grows, and the children learn to use that worm.  The parents are drawn into the goals for their kinder in an environment that is pleasing, warm, attractive….cute.  I agree that the classroom environment is potentially the child’s most accessible resource.  Cute for the sake of cute is too darned much work for no return!! Kathy

                                                                                             Freida

 Well said 

Freida

                                                                                               Lori

Absolutely. However, it has to be more than decoration.

Lori

                                                                                             Paula

Hi all!

In talking about the kindergarten atmosphere.... I have very little commercial stuff in my classroom.  Almost everything is made by me or the kids.  So much "homier" I think!  :)  A colleague invited me to go shopping for classroom decorations and was surprised when I told her that I hadn't bought anything decorative besides name tags in about 10 years!  :)  But yes, I agree that kinder especially needs to be warm and inviting.  A child's introduction into school, in my opinion, should be positive and warm and set the tone for a positive attitude towards school.  I was once at a school inservice that took place in a kinder room at a school that was not mine.  The school was on a year-round multi-track system so at any given time a number of classes were "off-track".  I assumed that the barren and cold room was one where the class was on vacation.  I was so sad when I learned that the room was for a kinder class that was to start the next day!  Not the most nurturing introduction to school! 

I just wanted to add a comment about those anxious kinder parents or rather share something that has worked well for me.  A couple of days before school starts I invite the parents to an informational meeting.  I am having mine this Thursday, as a matter of fact, since our first official day is Monday the 13th.  I talk about procedures, expectations, etc. and tell the parents about myself.  Since I began doing this, I have had much stronger parent support.  It is especially helpful to the parents who are sending their first born off to school.  It helps alleviate a lot of their anxieties, which are passed on to the kids.  The drawback is it means that I need to set up my room earlier than others... I like the parents to see the room as I explain the program.. but the payback is great!  

 In  terms of class organization, I got a new tool this year that I can't wait to try.  My room is much smaller than the other K rooms which is tough for me because I like to have a lot going on in my room... lots of interactive text, centers and others.  I convinced our PTSC to order me a rolling cart with tubs and slots on the side for books and files.  I plan to use it as an assessment center with all of my assessment tools on the outside slots, and materials for each group in the tubs (if that makes any sense).  It is on wheels so I'll be able to wheel it in when I need it... and wheel it away when I don't.  I am anxious to try out the new system.  Does anyone else have any tips on managing a small space? 

Thanks! 

                                                                                     Marilyn

Dear Paula,

One of the changes I made when I was faced with a smaller space was arranging the “learning spaces” more around where materials were stored.  In other words, if I wanted children to be able to practice spelling words that had been taken from their writing, I had the materials for that practice stored on a shelf.  When they were ready to practice, their job was to find a “cozy spot” in the room – rather than practicing in the “spelling space”. That seemed to work. Once again, there was an element of choice (some chose a corner on the floor, others chose to sit at a table). I still had room for the areas that were of importance to me. I also noticed that my large meeting space and my small group instruction space ended up being the same space (I taught on the floor).  

The bottom line (which I know you realize) is that the space you have is the space you have. Good luck in making it work!

Marilyn

                                                                                                Katie

Dear All:

Perhaps it is our choice of words that is getting in the way? 

cute = synonyms- attractive, delightful, charming, pleasant
                 Source: Webster's New World Thesaurus

Would we agree that the classrooms students walk into this fall need elements that are attractive to students, that delight and charm them and are pleasant?

Purposeful is a word to consider as well; what is our purpose as we select and arrange all of the things that make up a classroom environment?

Katie

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                                                                                          Marilyn

This is great, Katie.

I guess when I walk into a classroom, the first thing I think about is whether or not I’d like to spend a lot of time there. Some classrooms just draw me in and make me think that I’d be thrilled to just stay. Usually those classrooms are colorful, organized, and very purposeful as well as delightful and charming.

Marilyn

                                                                                                                                        Debbie

This is great!  I, too, think that cute for the sake of cute is too much work if there is no return.  I do like the word 'purposeful,' and maybe some house or apartment shopping words might apply as well...curb appeal (that's what our parents want - some reassurance that we know what we are talking about and that we take good care of our rooms) and themes - colors - evidence of planning and preparation...valuing children... 

These are what come to mind for me.  Now I teach online (university) so I have to create a classroom differently than all of you with floors, ceilings, walls, windows, and doors!  Food for thought here.

Great conversations!

Debbie

30                    Marilyn

Hi Debbie,

I don’t know much about teaching online but when I think of working my way around the internet I once again
go back to those words — predictable, organized, and accessible. That’s what I look for on a website. Is it easy for me to get what I need quickly and easily. If not, I leave. :)

Marilyn

                                                                                            Debbie

Marilyn,
 
I think of 'my' classroom as synthesizing and exploring and creating and investigating teaching and learning in new key so to speak through creating a professional community of teachers (graduate or undergraduate).  
 
Looking at a website is much different than participating in a course online and I create courses that create collaborative, holistic, learning experiences much like I would in a traditional course except we have the web, blogs, wiki's (new to me this fall I think), podcasts (still staying away from that one for now), and the like. Most everything that we do in onsite courses can be done in online course with some tweaking.  It is the tweaking that things different but we always start with an introductive exercise like 2 truths and a lie and all discussions (posts) begin with what the learner brings to the table.
 
Good point though about predictable, accessible, and organized websites - they do bring us in.

Debbie

                                                                                             Marilyn

I think I’m going to need to take on online course! Sounds really interesting.
Marilyn

                                                                                            Melody

Hello all,

My name is Melody Singleton, and I am a student at the University of North Texas. I appreciate having access to such a wonderful learning resource as this.

As I followed along with the discussion, I was glad to finally read the comment from you, Katie. I felt that the choice of words were just defined differently by the users. I really agree that a room should be pleasant and appealing, especially to very young students. Of course that doesn't mean that the room has to be filled with cartoon type characters or objects, but it does mean that, as a teacher, you need to know what will attract the attention of your students. Parents are to be considered as well. While there are many realistic resources to be used as aids in student learning, many parents of young children are wowed by the more "cutesy" displays.

Of course I agree that anything worth putting up should be of learning value, but we should always be mindful of who we are catering to, the children.

                                                                                            Marilyn

Hi Melody,

I think that if we communicate with parents what Katie was saying — the purpose part of the classroom organization and design — then they begin to see that indeed “form follows function” and that while it is colorful and appealing, it is also very functional. So perhaps part of our planning for the beginning of school is how we communicate our beliefs about learning spaces to the parents as well.

Marilyn

                                                                                             Melody

Marilyn,

My initial intention for signing up with this list serve was to use it as a learning resource for myself. I thought I'd merely follow along with the discussion and remain obscure. I am starting my year of student teaching this fall, and sadly, despite the wonderful instruction from various teachers with the U.N.T. staff, I find myself feeling very inadequate and slightly ill prepared. I hope that my comments do not sound grossly immature.  However, I feel the need to ask this question and don't feel that any question is a dumb question. So, with that in mind:

I understand the value of having a meet the parent night, especially with children just entering the school system. I know that a lot of time and preparation goes into setting up that event, and there seems to be adequate time for teachers to make presentations, to tour parents around the room, and for the parents to ask any questions they may have before their children actually begin attending. I attended such an event with my son when he started school. I wonder though, do those types of events occur with parents of children who are in the older grades? I don't remember being invited to anything except plays, etc. after my son entered first grade. Should there be such an event, and if so, what should it entail? Would this be the time when we would communicate our beliefs about learning and learning spaces to the parent? Would the event look the same if you teach a grade where children begin to move from class to class for various subjects?

It seems that in all my learning, I remain sketchy on many of the basics. Any information you have to share will be appreciated.

Melody Singleton

                                                                                            Melody

Hi Marilyn,

I think it’s terrific that you are not only listening and learning but contributing to this discussion. The people on this listserve are thoughtful and challenging. They are also highly professional. They are a wonderful model of the kinds of teachers all kids need.

I definitely believe that it is beneficial for parents to have the opportunity to talk with their child’s teacher regardless of the grade. You have excellent ideas about the content of such a session. You mentioned:

• communicating beliefs about learning and learning spaces

I would add:

• Expectations for learning achievement (The most effective way I have seen this done was for teachers to share a few samples of what proficiency looks like at the end of the year. I think it’s only fair that parents are aware of what we’re aiming for)
• Expectations for parents – helping them understand where their support is needed
• Expectations and purposes for homework (especially in the upper grades) - I always wanted parents to understand that my belief was that homework was not about quantity but about kids have a bit of time to practice and improve the quality of what they were learning.

There’s probably more and I’d love to hear what others think is important content for these kinds of sessions.

One challenge that teachers face is that the older the student is, the fewer parents seem to show up. Teachers put a lot of preparation into these evenings and it is disappointing when only a handful of parents are there to take in the information. After awhile, I think the teachers decide it’s not worth their effort which is a shame.

A few things we tried --

• Making them more curricular focused (connecting a family math/literacy night to a short amount of time in their child’s classroom and being able to build on the experience they just had with the kind of experiences kids have in classrooms
• Linking them to events (e.g. having a writer’s evening where kids shared the writing they had published and a small amount of time was spent talking about the process with students doing most of the sharing and talking.
• Food – for some reason, food often brings the families in. We were usually able to get donations of food from the local grocery stores and then linked some parent information to “dinner with the kids and their teachers.”

I am a big believer in the fact that less is more. So (just like I seem to do with these listserve messages) I had to blab all the things I thought every parent should know on my computer, then I made a decision about what was really important and that was the content of our time together.

Marilyn

                                                                                           Freida

Marilyn,

I have come to believe that what you say is so important.   I began my career thinking that I was an educator of children in my classroom, but I have learned that I am an educator of my classroom, their parents, the larger community in which my classroom is a part, and if I want optimum educational experiences for all children, then I must be vigilant about educating all I come in contact with about the importance of the education of our children.  Now I sound like a crusader and maybe I am, but we must make sure that the general public understands and knows about the research and what is best for learners.  Who better to do that than the teacher in the classroom day in and day out?

                                                                                    Kathy

Freida,

Amen!  And with the parents as partner-educators, kids have greater success.  We must take all opportunities through bulletin boards, newsletters, selecting tasks for student work that will go home, and conversations to let parents know what is important and how to best support young children.  Those parents can help us spread the word to those outside our immediate school family.

                                                                                    Jeri

Kathy

I find this to be right on. I need to keep to the front of my mind "take all opportunities through bulletin boards, newsletters, selecting tasks for student work that will go home, and conversations to let parents know what is important and how to best support young children" That is so true. Our parent population is supportive but does not know what to do. Many of our parents do not speak English and might have some fears coming in to speak with us (like me, who does not speak Spanish). I have found that when I explain why it is important to do certain activities with their children (through a translator) they are right there for us and most of the time there is a complete positive change in the students. It is really important to help parents know what is important and how they can best support their children no matter what grade level.

Jeri

                                                                                Elvia

You are so right on track, and I don't think your thinking is so much being a crusader as it is a full realization of our job.  This is my tenth year teaching and I've learned so much from other teachers I admire; I now realize our role is so much more about at least the community of your whole classroom and grade level, but at most it's about the community of the entire school and all that encompasses it. 

I have not read all the posts, so someone may have suggested this, but...That said, borrowing from one of my daughter's teachers, I've encouraged the teachers I work with to create welcome packets for the parents telling about our backgrounds and the class routines and expectations.  This is a folder filled with helpful stuff like schedule, outline of curriculum and how I plan to teach it, philosophies and current research to explain why I do stuff I do, discipline procedure and research backing that up, tips on how to help their kids with reading and writing, and volunteer info that super organizes the parents and takes loads of work off my shoulders (ex. I have spring water brought in weekly, and once a month a parent can volunteer to clean a section of the room, I have a list of parents who can come in and watch the class, and those who provide cleaning supplies or volunteer to drive, etc).  This helps parents feel useful and part of the classroom.  We hold an intro meeting before classes or at least the first week and go over it then.  This has helped tremendously in making my job less overwhelming and helping to make connections between me and the parents as well as create a community. 

Elvia

Pat 

I actually create a parent handbook that includes all of the same papers.  The parents love it, most keep it in one place in the house so they can refer to it. (Thank you Laura Candle).  

PatK

                                                                                                Marilyn

                                                                                             Freida 

Yes! to the educational  jargon and we come back to the cute versus purposeful discussion.  I am because of this conversation changing my definition of cute to purposeful. 

                                                                                                Elvia

I once had a v.p. chastise me for not having a cute enough room.  I like an open, clear, clean room with plants and rugs and pillows and defined spaces.  I don't like clutter or cutesy useless stuff.  I like useful and child created, not manufactured, things to be on the walls.  I like to create our guides on the walls as we go instead of buy a lot and tack them up...I think it's more meaningful.  As soon as I tacked up some cartoonish stuff on the walls, she was pleased.  I have always thought color should not be distracting, it should exist, but not in an overpowering way....thoughts?

Elvia

                                                                                                Lori

One thing I did in the classroom was to cover ALL my bulletin boards with the same kind of fabric.  And okay, I do hate cute, so I often selected a muted plaid.  Fabric doesn’t fade, if you take care in terms of pattern—it does not distract.  I found that when the room was pulled together with a unifying fabric, I was less overwhelmed myself with ‘visual noise’.  One idea that I snitched from somebody was the notion of an interactive calendar.  I used a rather large space to create a blank calendar form by creating grid with think yarn staple to create an array of 7 x 5, with spaces that were roughly 4 x 5 inches.  Each day the helper wrote his/her news (in first grade, handwritten with a sharpie and illustrated, as we looped to 2nd, I created the template on the computer that allowed kids to write more and play with fonts).  As the month passed, the calendar grew.  At the end of the month, I mounted these days onto half sheets of construction paper which were laminated and became the ‘Book of Days’ for that month.  Kids LOVED rereading them, they were always a big hit with parents and at the end of the loop, we ‘raffled’ them off on the last day of school.

Lori

                                                                                             Marilyn

Elvia and Lori,

I also used fabric to cover my wall spaces (because I couldn’t bear doing it over and over every year with paper). I used primary colors and I had different colors for different wall spaces that went with learning spaces. It seemed to make it easier for kids to keep it all separate.

I wonder if the vp had taken time to talk with you about why you made the decisions about your classroom – would he/she have thought differently about need for change?

Marilyn

                                                                                            Kelly

Marilyn and all,

I am enjoying this conversation so much as I am trying to set up my 1/2 classroom.  Elvia is one of my 
colleagues as well as a friend.  She really had a horrible experience with a vp who didn't have a good 
understanding of developmentally appropriate learning environments for children.  I wonder if the vp had
ever taught in a classroom because I have known a lot of administrators who have never taught and are 
really unfamiliar with educational philosophy.

Kelly

                                                                                            Elvia

Yep, not good.  I tried to explain my philosophies to her but she seemed most interested in correcting me and
being my superior rather than carrying on a useful and enlightening discourse that could have been of benefit to the entire school.  Luckily we are at a school now where intellectual discourse is a primary goal. 

Elvia

                                                                                          Marilyn

I’m pleased to hear that you are at a school that supports both what we do and why we do it.

Marilyn

                                                                                            Elisa

Hi Elvia,

I recently joined the Daily 5 listserv and there has been some talk of late regarding the best colors for bulletin
boards.  Apparently, the best colors are those that don't distract or make kids sleepy, such as earth tones - 
browns, greens, some shades of blue.  The thing is, as Lori said, to use only one color for the entire room and
then to use a second color for the borders.  I'm going to try this though my borders all have patterns on them 
and I don't think I'm going to go out and get new ones at this point.  So, I will go with the fabric, as others have

mentioned, but use only one color for the entire room.

Just a thought,

Elisa

Elisa Waingort

Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual

Dalhousie Elementary

Calgary, Canada

                                                                                             Pat

Do you remember which shade of blue was calming?

Pat K

                                                                                        Renee

Been catching up reading all the great discussion!  Thanks to all the colleagues out there! I also got very tired of putting up bulletin board paper every year so I went with burlap as the fabric of choice.  It is "earth tone" and has lots of character because of the texture.  Any color border or background paper for posted work matches it easily.  I use green and blue borders and even have some silk sunflowers stapled to the corners of the board

that go with my theme of "growing" as readers, writers, etc.  I have found these boards will last me for YEARS and you never see the holes from staples, push pins, etc. when you change the presented work.

Works for me!

Renee

                                                                                           Pat

I also had decided to use burlap. Most of my boards are up. But I need to purchase some additional burlap. Anyone remember where they purchased it?

Pat K

                                                                                       Renee

My husband happens to be an upholsterer, so that is where I got my burlap. Maybe a local upholstery shop could help you.. they buy it in huge rolls and it is fairly inexpensive compared to other types of fabric...they could also be a good source for fabric of other types if you want to make cushions or pillows for learning center areas. FYI

Renee

                                                                                        Debbie

 A craft store would have it - such as JoAnn Fabrics or something like it.

 Debbie E

                                                                                         Ruby

Elisa,
Are you saying the earthtones make kids sleepy or that they are the ones that don't distract? I had heard that bright colors wake kids up so I'm a little confused here.  Also, how does one join the daily 5 listserv and what is it about?

Ruby

                                                                                         Elvia

I have a muted light blue room then we use metal and natural fibers, but I like to throw in red pillows and stuff like that.  We have big windows with lots of natural light.  I don't do bulletin boards at all but I showcase the work in different areas, not just work but strategies and checklists and rubrics and stuff we come up with ...I've never noticed a sleepy kid....uh...ever!  hee. 

Elvia

                                                                                            Elisa

Hi Ruby,

I'm just looking back at the notes I took from the emails on colors in the classroom.  Earth tones are supposed to be soothing, I think.  They don't distract kids from learning.

What I wrote down was this:  colors found in nature are best for bulletin boards.  Just two colors for the whole room - one color would be to cover the bulletin board and the other color would be for the borders.  No red, yellow or blue.  I did say "some shades of blue" in my original message because I seem to remember someone saying something about light blue being OK.  Don't remember.  The listserv is for the book called The Daily 5.  It's a yahoo group. Try to do a search for it but if you can't find it let me know and I will search in one of my messages for you. 

Elisa

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

                                                                                                          Maureen

Hi all,

Through all of the workshops I have taken and research I’ve done on brain research, multiple intelligences and differentiated instruction, I have been taking very seriously the issues of classroom layout.  It seems to me that I make most of my decisions based on my own preferences and general ideas of availability of materials.  I have visited in some classrooms that are overwhelming with color and materials and student work and dividers and posters, and some that seem threadbare, and some that seem minimalist and some that seem (to me) “just right.”  Some reflect what I would consider insufferable mess but the teacher knows exactly where everything is.   

What I try to do is set up the classroom so that it is workable for the beginning of the year.  Then the kids and I make changes as the year progresses. 

Maureen

                                                                                             Elisa

Hi Maureen,

This is good advice.  I am going to remember it as I try to have everything "ready" for the first day of school.  Since I never get to whatever it is I mean by "ready" I end up giving up and then feeling frustrated.  I think on a beginning level, I am going to put up the fabric on my bulletin boards and set up the different areas of the classroom.  My main goal this year is going to be to reduce the clutter and allow for lots of space for walking around and working either individually, in pairs or small groups.  I have taken out my teacher desk and so now I need a space on the shelf to house my things.  I have a file cabinet and plenty of shelf space so that's not going to be a problem.  I feel liberated now that I got rid of my desk (I go back and forth every few years with some years keeping

a desk and some years getting rid of it).  We'll see how it works. 

Thanks for the thoughts,
Elisa   

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

                                                                                            Marilyn

Dear Elisa,

You said ---  

“I am going to put up the fabric on my bulletin boards and set up the different areas of the classroom.  My main goal this year is going to be to reduce the clutter and allow for lots of space for walking around and working either individually, in pairs or small groups.” 

To me, what you just described is what I mean by setting up a classroom for learning. The rest comes with the kids! 

Marilyn

                                                                                            Elisa

Good! I'm glad it makes sense. I've written down the following goals for getting "ready" after someone posted a similar message. Perhaps you did? Can't remember. I've read so many great messages here. We are all fortunate to have such a wealth of knowledge among us.

Goals for starting the year: --put up fabric and borders on bulletin boards --reduce clutter --define work spaces --define area for "my stuff".

Elisa

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

                               Marilyn

Dear Maureen and all,

I certainly agree that it ultimately becomes a personal choice. I appreciated your examples. My goal was to get the room organized as quickly as I could so that I could get to the really important business of kid’s learning.

Marilyn

                                                                                             Elvia

Yes, I think that you should lay it out, then if things aren't working you have a class meeting and discuss it.  I've had awesome sessions where me and the kids are reorganizing all together, very bonding and they are so amazing and resourceful.  Real ownership... 

Elvia

                                                              Marilyn

Dear everyone --

One more thing and then I’ll let this one go — what I keep thinking about is this. Setting up learning spaces are important but only a tool, In the end (and I believe the research in this is indisputable)…

It is the quality of the learning experiences provided by teacher that has the greatest impact on student achievement.

Marilyn

                                                                                           Freida

I do believe that a room should be clear enough and clean enough that students and teacher can move around. I do not like clutter.  I like defined spaces.  Student work gives ownership in the room, very important and “purposeful”.   I teach my students to politely question authority.  I know that many principals and vice principals are my age and they don’t know the newer research.  So if my university students are doing something in the room that the principal or vice principal questions, then that teacher had better know why she is using that particular technique, or doing that particular activity.   There is some brain research on how a classroom should look and I would think Marilyn would be one of those experts that you can use to help support the clean not cluttered and purposeful room.   

Freida

                                                                                                Elisa

My first communication to parents this year will be to write me about their child in a million words or less.  I've done this with middle school kids in the past; the idea came from a poster on the MiddleWeb listserv.  I've gotten 100% return with some very emotional letters.  This is the first year I'm doing it with little kids so I'm anticipating great responses. 

Elisa 

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

                                                                                             Marilyn

I also had parents write these letters and I used them all year long. 

Also, one year I asked the kids to interview their parents about how they chose their names.  That was also more touching than I expected. The kids painted their first names in huge letters, we put their photos up beside them and the writing they did as a result of the interview. It was great. 

Marilyn

                                                               Elisa

I like the idea of kids interviewing their parents about their names.  I think this is a wonderful activity.  I have some kids with unusual names and I think it would make a great community building activity for everyone involved, including the families.  Thanks for sharing this. 

Elisa 

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

                                                                                                     Pat

Parents love to write about their children. Remember to tell them it is ok to write in their native language and give them a few suggestions. I always get wonderful response. I also include a sheet with check offs. This allows everyone to respond even if they are uncomfortable with writing.
Pat K

                 Debbie

Dear Marilyn and Everyone, 

All of the ideas in creating parent-educators out of our parents focus primarily on the written word through the reading of manuals, handouts, letters, and writing about their children.  I get concerned that many parents may not feel comfortable enough in the non-neutral place that school is to tell you if they cannot read or write or feel that they cannot do either well.  How do you all handle this issue?

Thanks,
Debbie

                                                              Marilyn

 Dear Debbie, Elvia, Pat, Elisa, and everyone else,

The ideas for a parent handbook were excellent and I echo Debbie’s concern about parents who are unable to read or write (in English or another language). We have dealt with this in many schools I have worked and supported. There is also the issue of the parents who are able to read and write but have had such a negative experience with school that they would not want to step into the place.

In one school where I worked, we had our first parent night in the local church or community hall. For some parents it felt okay to come there.

One school I work with has a barbeque every year for the community a few nights before school begins. That means the teachers have to have their rooms up and ready but it certainly pays off. They cook outside and the outcome is mainly social – meet your child’s teacher and go into the school with your child to see their classroom. There are no speeches (except a brief welcome by the principal). They get a huge turnout and it becomes the beginning of the development of teacher-parent-child-school relationships.

This same district has also begun to do home visits before school begins. The teachers go out in pairs. This has also been a huge eye opener for them. Not as it relates to the community but as it relates to how reluctant parents are to open their door. The good news is when they realize it’s the teacher, they usually let them in or at least talk with them at the door. Once again, the purpose is only to begin the development of relationships.

I used to have two parent nights in my classroom. One for parents only (at that stage in my teaching I had a teenage daughter and her friends who did child care in the room next door) and one for the families. I tried to schedule the parent meeting early in the year. I did have a handbook that I walked through with them but I did make sure it was highly visual (lots of icons and photos) and those icons and photos matched what they could see in the classroom. The family night was attached to our school open house. The children and I developed a “tour” brochure and it was their responsibility to take their parents through all of the learning spaces, explain the purpose, and show them what they did. Both were pretty successful and the combination of the two seemed to support the parent who was not a reader or writer.

My weekly note to parents was also written “with” the students (short, to the point) and it was their job to share it with their parents. That was also pretty successful.

There were always parents who did not come to either the parent night or the open house but I was pretty good at tracking them down and giving them a private tour, if possible.

Something else I noticed was that if I could get them into the classroom for the first conference of the year, they were usually okay, because I talked about their child’s strengths. It used to really get me when parents would get all teary when I told them about the strengths I saw in their son or daughter and they would tell me that it was the first time anyone had ever said anything good about their child. Once this kind of relationship was developed some parents were willing to talk about their own school experience and their own lack of skills.

Everything that is stated above takes a lot of effort and energy on the part of teachers. In the best of school communities, it is what the school values – so the teachers are provided the time to develop these important relationships.

Marilyn

                                                                                                       Linda

How would you handle having the students set up the room if you met with five different classes over a two day period?

Linda

                                                                                                    Freida

Well, I do have two different classes and they do have to communicate with each other about some of the room arrangements.  They appoint a group member to meet and they discuss how they want to arrange the room.  However, if that won’t work the alternative teacher has had them write persuasive letters to each other to convince the other classes to arrange the classroom in the way that they want it arranged.  Good literacy practice.  If there is a disagreement we go back to how we want to be treated and how we handle disagreements on the social contracts, again good practice for them.   In the mean time we all sit on the floor, including me.  I don’t consider myself old, but it is getting harder to get up off that floor, so I am not sure how much longer that will happen.  

 Freida

                                                                                              Marilyn

 Communicating Expectations

Dear Friends,
 
I get very excited by the number of kindergarten classrooms I visit where children are engaged, learning, solving problems and making decisions. Often, the youngest learners in the school are the most self-directed. I’ve come to the conclusion that it has a lot to do with assumptions.  
 
Kindergarten teachers (by nature of their job) make no assumptions about their kids. School is new to the five year old, so teachers explain the expectations, clearly and specifically, for everything. Once the kindergarten teacher determines that these wee ones are capable of a lot more than we often give them credit for and couple that with the clarity of expectations, the result is magic!
 
This was big learning for me. When I taught older students, I assumed that my students knew to put a book back on the shelf when they finished reading. I assumed they knew how to choose a book of interest and had the perseverance to sustain the reading. I assumed they could work cooperatively with those who sat at the same table. I made a lot of assumptions – after all, they had been in school for several years. My motto – make no assumptions!
 
I learned there is a big difference between assuming that kids know and setting clear expectations for the community of learners you are establishing in your classroom.
 
In a previous message, I mentioned the classroom as a workplace for learning. I talked with my students (even the youngest ones) about what it meant to be a workplace. We talked about the fact that we were not always able to choose who we worked with but we are able to make good choices about how we worked together. I wanted my students to understand that being in a community did not mean that we would have no problems. Being in a community meant that we would learn how to solve our problems together.
 
I brainstormed with my students what the purpose of the learning space was, what it would look and sound like when a student was learning in that space, and what I would be looking for to determine what each of them learned and what they needed to learn next.
 
If a community of learners is what we strive for then we begin by helping our students to clearly understand what the expectations are for each of the learning spaces in the classroom. To do that, we have to have those expectations clearly articulated in our own mind.
 
Kind regards,
Marilyn

                                                                                             Marilyn

Learning Information

Dear Friends,
 
My husband Peter and I are working on a new book for beginning teachers and those who support them. In our book, we talk about learning information –
 
“Learning information is information you will gather about what your students know and can do in the subjects where you are responsible for your student’s achievement.
 
"What is essential to understand at this early stage is that learning information comprises statements in clear, precise, learning behavior language about what each student knows and can do in reading, writing, math, science, and social studies at each step in his or her learning progress.
 
"You will use learning information to make decisions first about what  a student will need to learn next as they move step by step along the subject learning continuum, and second you will use learning information to make decisions about what you as a teacher need to do to ensure that the gap is closed between where each student is and where you decide he or she needs to be.
 
"The quality of the learning information you gather is critical for one reason. The quality of your decision about a student’s learning is solely dependent upon the quality of the information you have gathered on which to base your decision. In short, poor quality learning information leads to poor quality instructional decisions.” (Duncan and Duncan, Beginning Teachers, draft manuscript)
 
Our job at the start of school is to review the summative information we have been provided about our incoming students.  (The older the students are, the more information usually comes with them.) This information can give us patterns and trends and some good questions to ask but does not necessarily provide us with precise information about what a student needs to learn next.
 
So our job at the beginning of school is to plan for gathering quality learning information. The learning spaces have been created, the expectations are being shared, and as students approximate the work in these spaces, the teacher gathers valuable learning information.
 
I look forward to the continued conversation.
 
Kind regards,
Marilyn

                                                                                             Judi

Marilyn,
You mentioned how important it is to gather summative information at the beginning of the year.  I plan on giving pre-assessments, along with an Interest Survey and Mulitple Intelligence's Checklist.  What is your recommendation for a format of putting this information in one place when you have 150 students?  I always gather the information, but then I struggle with how to USE the information that is accessible.  I usually have the best of intentions, but then I get overwhelmed.

Thank you,

Judi

                                                                                            Marilyn

Hi Judi,

Just the number 150 makes me overwhelmed. :)

First I want to talk a little about the learning information we collect. Teachers are given a lot of summative information. Summative data is the kind that comes from a test at the end of a learning task or at the end of a text book chapter. State assessments are summative data. Summative data attempts to summarize the extent to which learning occurred.

Formative classroom assessment data on the other hand is drawn from the teaching and learning process; it “informs” instruction as teaching and learning interact. Formative data is the essential learning feedback for the learning occurring now; it informs the teacher about the impact of instruction on each student as new learning occurs.

I think the information you are talking about gathering is formative. You talk about your desire to use the information for instruction. It sounds like you need the information you collect to be both meaningful and manageable.

Maybe you begin by deciding the information you want from each of the formative assessments you describe. For instance, what exactly do you want to learn from the pre-assessments? Will some of the information be able to be analyzed by using a simple check list (yes or no). If each class is on a spread sheet with the categories at the top and the names along the side, a quick glance might tell you that everyone needs this skill (whole group instruction), some kids need this skill (small groups), and some individuals need extra support. It sounds as if you would be able to give a post-assessment as well which could be the summative information you can use to determine the learning that has occurred as a result of your instruction.

It’s trickier when the information is not as black and white as the check-list format. That’s when I think you probably have to narrow what you’re looking for. So perhaps at the beginning of the year, with the interest survey, you are only interested in knowing the kinds of books students like to read, so that you will be better informed in matching kids with materials and in having them share books in certain genre they have already read. If you are only looking for one or two things at this time with the interest survey, it might seem a bit more manageable.

One teacher I worked with had a notebook system that worked for her with her 150 students. She had a notebook for each day of the week (rather than one for each class) and she gathered learning information on six students daily from each class. So she had her Monday kids, her Tuesday kids, etc. She found that manageable and because she determined at the beginning of the week (or unit, or quarter) the learning information she was looking for, she found it meaningful as well.

I can’t remember who used to talk about “analysis paralysis” but I think that’s what happens when we have too much information. Maybe narrowing down what you’re looking for and experimenting with a system (especially initially) can help you manage the information you have. I hope this is helpful.

Marilyn

                                                                                         Freida

Marilyn,

You mentioned beginning the year with “learning information” and you gave a definition, but what I got from that was a more informal type assessment and finding out about my student and what someone else got was the more formal assessment kinds of information.  What kinds of things would you do in a classroom to find out about your students?

                                                                                          Marilyn

Hi Freida,

I hope a recent post made the distinction between summative and formative assessment. Obviously summative assessment does give us information but once again, we need formative information to make decisions about what the individual student will need to learn next. We will use that information about each individual student to make decisions about what we need to do to ensure that the gap is closed between where each student is and where he or she needs to be.

Initially, a lot of the information I gather involves watching, listening, and asking questions and I have to plan for the time to do the watching, listening, and asking.

The information I gather may depend upon the age and stage of development of the learners but will often focus on the similar learning spaces in the classroom. I would be observing all readers as they interact with texts. With very young children, I would be watching for some of the concepts about print that we establish with emergent readers. Do they know the front and the back of the book? Do they “read” from left to right? Are they aware that the picture contains the message? With older students I may be watching initially to see how they select books for independent reading and spend a few minutes talking to each student over the first week about what they are thinking about what they have chosen.

Some of this information will tell me what I need to know to make instructional decisions. But some of this information will tell me that I need more information. From the initial watching and listening, I may determine that I need to take a running record or a miscue analysis on certain students. I need more precise learning information to know what the next step is for this student.

I find initial writing samples invaluable regardless of the age and stage of the learner. I’m looking for confidence and competence. Does the student see him or herself as a writer? Is the writer willing to take risks? Does the writer have an understanding of how the process works? Some of that information I can gather by looking at the initial product but much of the information will be gathered as I watch the writers write.

I am also looking for how students at the beginning of the year can manage themselves. One of the things I learned over the year was that I was pretty accepting of kids who were emerging as readers, writers, and mathematicians, but I wasn’t always as aware that some kids were emerging as it related to their ability to manage themselves in the classroom environment. So I am always looking at how kids are problem solving, resolving conflicts, working and learning together.

It seems to me that I must be thinking about the quality of the information I gather, not the quantity. I’m asking myself, “What information do I need right now to make the best learning decisions for these students?”

Marilyn

                                             Darcy

Hello Marilyn!

A question was posed to me for you that asked, "How do I know when kindergarten students are ready for small group reading instruction?" and I would add to that, How do we know that at any grade level, anyway?

Cordially,
Darcy

                                                                                            Marilyn

                                                              Virginia

:::waving:::: Hi marilyn. Big hellos from Madison Camelview, out here in the Az Desert....It is neat to be 'hearing' from you again. The last couple of years I have been using Lucy Calkins writing tools. We are also a learning network school, so I have two separate blocks in the morning. My reading centers always flow and I am really great about getting my small group and individual phonics instruction in but my writing centers are my issue. My question is my writing centers tend to be engaging and have my learners independently working but lose their novelty after about a month. I try to think about Cambourne’s conditions for learning yet I just can't seem to keep my 5 year olds wanting to come back for 'more'. Suggestions......

Virginia Hernandez
Camelview Kindergarten

                                                                                             Marilyn

Hi Virginia,

I miss seeing all those I so admire at Camelview and the other Madison schools -- maybe someday!

My first question is – What are your students doing in addition to writing during your writing block? What learning spaces do you have available for them?

One of the things I've thought a lot about lately is the need to put more emphasis on the development of oral language. I'm wondering how much planning we do for kids to have the opportunity for intentional talk.

One area that I would love to see us put more time into is a storytelling space. A space where kids have access to familiar nursery rhymes, flannel boards and other tools that will allow them to practice what it sounds like to tell a story with a beginning, middle, and end. Stories that have who, where, and what happened...The Kindergarten Book (p 84) gives a brief description of the space and other parts of the book provide examples of what kids could be doing there.

Another question I have is whether we spend enough time actually engaging WITH our kids at the beginning of the year in the various learning spaces. We are under a lot of pressure to get small groups going but sometimes that comes as a sacrifice to helping kids understand what it feels like to spend time telling stories, talking, practicing, and engaging in the other areas of the room.

Marilyn

PS David Matteson and Deb Freeman give some wonderful examples in their books of how to engage our youngest learners in talk.  The books are Assessing and Teaching Beginning Writers and Assessing and Teaching Beginning Readers. 
http://www.rcowen.com/ProfBks.htm#David%20M.%20Matteson

                                                                                             Janice

I so agree about the pressure to start flexible groups.  Thinking back (decades) to Ralph Peterson‘s work in community building and the time to create traditions and clear expectations.  This summer I was happily engaged in reading The Daily Five- Fostering Literacy Independence in the Elementary Grades by Gail Boushey and Joan Moser – ‘the sisters’ .  Their suggestion of modeling for very limited moments (even three to five moments) each of the Five – Read to Yourself, Read to Someone, Work on Writing, Listen to Reading, and Spelling and Word Work. They then have meeting and debrief and reflect on their own behavior as well as have ‘models’ of right and wrong way to do each of the five as they are introduced. 

My Daily Five quote on the wall for the first weeks of school as a building Literacy Specialist and Coach – “We believe positive relationships are the first and most vital element of our children’s learning process. Meaningful learning requires respect between the teacher and students as well as among the students themselves.  We treat children as valuable individuals, each one unique and worthy of respect and caring.  We continually remind ourselves that in the face of the public push for higher test scores, we must not let ourselves or our students get caught up in a frenzied pace.  Taking time to build trust and demonstrate caring is the foundation upon which all other elements of our literacy learning are built.”  (page 13)

Janice E. Spohn

Reading Specialist, Peebles Elementary
North Allegheny School District
V.President Elementary - P.C.T.E.L.A.
W.P.C.T.E. - Executive Board Secretary

                                                         Cheryl

Marilyn,

The room is ready, our learning spaces in place and we begin planning our first week of school with children. What suggestions do you give regarding setting classroom expectations, behaviors and getting to know our children personally?

Thank you,
Cheryl

                                                                       Marilyn

Dear Cheryl,

Congratulations on being this close to ready. I would imagine that you will have some of your former K-1 students as third graders - nothing is better than that!

Expectations

When I walk into classrooms where there is a long litany of expectations or rules, I kind of cringe. Actually, in those cases, I'm pretty sure that I (a more than mature adult) would not be able to follow all the rules. :)

I wanted my kids involved in the setting of expectations because the minute they walked in, I wanted it to be our room, not mine.

But before that (back to the end product, idea) I thought of how we could have one simple expectation that would fit just about anything that we had to deal with as a community. The expectation I liked with younger kids was "In this classroom, we won't hurt anyone on the inside or the outside." - that pretty much covered books being walked on, feelings being hurt, etc.

When I brought kids together initially, we talked about what it meant to live and work together in a classroom. Depending upon the age of the student we had some good discussions about community (this was our social studies content for the first few weeks of the school year). These initial discussions focused on what it would look and sound like if we worked together. The first responses from kids were often “don’t” responses (Don’t yell out, Don’t run in the classroom, etc). I recorded these responses but asked if we could turn them into do statements. (Speak in a quiet voice, Walk carefully). We didn’t do all of this in one sitting but by the end of the first day we had quite a list.

At the end of the day, we talked about how that long list could be made more simple. We identified expectations that had to do with the “inside” and those that had to do with “outside”. I wrote the expectation on a chart and asked if there was anything that wouldn’t fit with that expectation – agreements were made and everyone signed their name under the statement.

The “one statement” expectation worked really well in our classroom because every student could easily remember it. So when an issue arose, it was easy for me to start the conversation with a child or children by saying , “What did we agree the expectation was for our classroom?” They were all able to articulate it. Resolving the issue focused on how the behavior could change based on our agreement.

This didn’t mean it was a classroom without problems, but it was a classroom where we could solve our problems together – like any good community.

Your Job – My Job

I used another strategy when introducing the learning spaces in the classroom . We talked about the purpose of each area (This took place over the first week or so as these areas were introduced.). Then, we brainstormed the student’s job and my job for each area.  (The Kindergarten Book describes this process in Chapter 4, pages 86-89.) Depending on the student’s age and experience we would ask a student to model what “your job” might look like. Then everyone went out and tried it. Over the next few days as we worked in that area, I took pictures of how it looked when you knew your job. Those pictures would be posted by the chart articulating “your job and my job”. Once again, the clarity of the expectations came in handy when they were sometimes forgotten.

Getting to Know my Kids

Since I firmly believe that the business of my classroom is learning, that’s exactly how I came to know my kids. I didn’t do any “bonding” kind of activities but we bonded quickly as we began to talk about the books we loved, the topics we chose to write about, and how we solved mathematical problems. We did a lot of sharing out at the end of any experience and I was the the person who “noticed” the most at the beginning of the year. I talked about what I saw and heard. “Andy, could you share with the class where you came up with the topic you wrote about today?” It didn’t take long before there were a lot of students who noticed things. Of course there were kids who were harder to get to know – so I had to watch more closely and look for the opportunities to share how clever they were.

I hope this is helpful. Writing it makes me wish I were there with you!

Marilyn

                                               Elisa

Hi Marilyn,

Thanks for describing your first interactions with the children.  Very clear and helpful, as are all of your messages. 

I have one question.  When you talk about "your job, my job" you only refer to "your job".  What is the "my job" part?  Or did I miss that in your explanation?  Did you talk/tell the kids what "my job" is?

Also, as far as expectations are concerned, we have a slogan at our school:  “Take care of ourselves, take care of each other, and take care of our school.”  I thought I would start with these three statements as a way to set our classroom expectations.  I like your initial statement tothem about not hurting each other inside and outside.  I think I will use this to enhance the discussion of our slogan and how it applies to our classroom expectations. What do you think?

Thanks for your response.

Elisa

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

                                                                                             Marilyn

Hi Elisa,

Sorry for not being more clear. “Your job” was the kids job. “My job” was the teacher's job. So when we talked about the classroom library in kindergarten, it sounded like this

Your job
Choose a book
Find a comfortable spot
Read your book
Put your book away

My job
Watch children
Listen to children read
Listen to children tell stories
Write down what they can do

I hope that makes more sense.

I think it’s so helpful when the school expectation can be used and enhanced in the classroom. That makes everything so much more meaningful for the child. 

I’m sure your ideas will work very well.

Marilyn

                                                                                             Elisa

Hi Marilyn,

Thanks for the clarification.  Now, one more question.  Do you actually go through what "my job" is with the kids?  That's what I would probably do but I'm just trying to picture what it looks like in your classroom.

Thanks for your response,

Elisa

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

                                                                                            Marilyn

Hi Elisa,

I did go through what my job is. I talked with the children about the reason I am their teacher. I'm the one who is responsible for their learning and they are responsible for their learning as well. I wanted them to know the reason that I sit alongside them and listen (and take a running record) when they read. I would talk with them about what I learned about them and would show them what I was writing down in my notes.

One of my favorite memories is from Laura, a first grade student that I had.  Everyone was busy working and all of a sudden, Laura, a rather quiet child, jumped out of her seat and yelled, "Get over here with that clipboard. I used quotation marks in the right place and you need to write that down!"

That's what I wanted kids to get about 'my job'.

Marilyn

                                   Lori

I also found that assessment/test anxiety was nonexistent when I told my littles that I needed to see if I was doing MY JOB well.

Lori

                                                                                              Nancy

"In this classroom, we won't hurt anyone on the inside or the outside."

 Hi Marilyn,

I once had the opportunity to go to Literacy Learning in the Classroom when Margaret Mooney presented. She said her one big idea for classroom rules was, " Work and Let Work." I tried that, and the students didn't quite get the understanding I was looking for. School work was kind of equated with labor.

So the next year we changed it to "Learn and let Learn." If things go amuck as they often do in kindergarten, I will ask children if they are inhibiting or enhancing someone else's learning. Within a day of modeling this, children are picking up that vocabulary. I like having one simple rule that covers most everything.

Nancy

                                                                                             Linda

Nancy,

I love to keep it simple.  One rule. I think that might work with high school students.  Short and to the point.

Thank you. 

                                                                                           Marilyn

Hello Nancy,

I like both of those statements and the beauty is they would work with any age student. I think the important point you make is the need for the students to easily understand what it means. That way we don’t own the expectations – they do...

Marilyn

                                                                                                   Kathy

I was lucky that my building had a motto of “Do your best and help others do their best.”   This was a great starting point for kids to talk about what that would look and sound like.  More importantly, it was my job to ‘catch them in the act.’  As close to daily (sometimes by the minute) as possible, I needed to catch and publicly acknowledge children who were successfully doing their best and helping others to do theirs.  This investment of time and attention paid well. The traditional mission of kindergarten of socialization has evolved into learning to be a learner in a social setting.

Kathy Shore, semi-retired kindergarten teacher

                                                                                             Maureen

 Hi all,

On the first day of class, I post my one goal for the year: “Our classroom is a safe, positive learning environment.” I’ve used this with first grade (I changed positive to happy) through fifth grade.  I guide the children to unpack this statement by having them define each term and then we make a t-chart.  On one side the chart says, “What does this look like?” On the other side it says, “How do we make this happen?”  The discussion sets the tone for the year. 

I have recently been spending quite a bit of my inservice time with Bena Kallick and Art Costa, who authored the Habits of Mind. http://habits-of-mind.net.  The habits are extremely compatible with my philosophy and I look forward to applying them.  

Cheers!

Maureen

                                                                                            Elisa

Hi Maureen,

I like that you said you post regarding your goal for the year.  At first I miscued and read "rule" - graphophonic match there!  But, that's what I was expecting to read.  I'm not sure what made me read it again but I did and realized my miscue.  In thinking about my school's slogan – “Take care of ourselves.  Take care of each other.  Take care of our school.” - I  can see how I could set these up as goals and then what would this look like "inside" and "outside", as Marilyn suggested. Interesting...
 
I really like the Habits of Mind, too.  Years ago I attended several days of workshops in two different settings with Art Costa.  It was a great experience.  I have the 5 Habits of Mind books (I think there are 5) but I have yet to read them.
 
Take care,
 
Elisa
 
Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

                            Cheryl

Dear Marilyn,

The room being ready was a scenario to begin a new strand. I am almost there and would like to thank you and all who have contributed to this conversation for their wonderful expertise and ideas. As I walk into my classroom, I can see learning taking place, where it is happening and what will be happening in each area of the classroom. Yesterday before I left, I was able to picture students selecting books to enjoy in one area of the classroom and began asking myself what more do I need in the area to make learning more accessible. I will be pondering this as I finish one last space in my classroom tomorrow.

I do have a few students that I taught in Kindergarten and perhaps this is why I felt the need to begin this new strand. I have evolved into a new teacher/person in the last three years and I need to ensure that students I had previously understand and learn to respect the change that has taken place. For some, they may expect the "loosy-goosey" teacher that they had previously and I must ensure my differences are apparent and my expectations for them are also.

Thank you for your wonderful response. I will be sharing this with my new colleague, a bright and ambitious first year teacher. I believe this will help both of us focus on our first days as we have a conversation tomorrow regarding this. I love the way you involved your community of learners in this process.

Cheryl

                                                        Marilyn

Dear Cheryl, 

I think the third graders that you had in Kindergarten will be more likely to remember the warm, caring, teacher that they respected and trusted. The change in you will come easily to them when you set the expectations for the learning you expect to occur. 

Have the best of first days!

Marilyn

Jeri

Cheryl, 

Having known you for the past 4 years, and watched you grow, there is no way that a student next Tuesday could ever enter your room and consider you to be "loosy-goosey".  You have grown to have very high expectations when you were in Kindergarten and as you enter third, you have the same high expections to match the grade.   

Jeri

                                                                                           Marilyn

That's exactly what I expected. What a great compliment from a colleague.

Marilyn

                                                                                                    Pat

Cheryl,

I share your experience. I went to school yesterday and arranged my learning spaces. I was thrilled that after more than 30 years I still feel excited about teaching. It has been helpful to discuss learning environment with others who are so dedicated to our craft.

Pat K

                                                                                                           Judi

Marilyn,

I didn't know that you had written a book about Literacy Coaching, as well.  I am a new Literacy Coach (I started in January), so I wondered if you had any advice about starting the year in this position.  Where should I focus my time at the beginning of the year?  I used to be a teacher and department chair at this school, so I already have the luxury of knowing the staff.

Thank you,

Judi
Colorado

                                                                                                Marilyn

Hi Judi and everyone,

I’m certain that it’s obvious, from the literature, that developing trusting relationships with the people a coach supports is key to successful coaching. It sounds as if you are already familiar with those you will work with because of your previous positions. And I’m sure having the opportunity to work as a coach beginning in January, allowed you the time to understand the change that occurs in relationships with your new role.  

Starting the year as a coach has many similarities to starting the classroom year – one thing I think is very similar is the need to set clear expectations. In my coaching book, Literacy Coaching: Developing Effective Teachers Through Instructional Dialogue  (Chapter 7) I talk about developing agreements.

“When a teacher and coach have developed a supportive coaching relationship, the likelihood of success is quite high. But a school-wide coaching initiative requires work to be done prior to beginning the coaching experience. There is a need for a school to agree about how coaching will be implemented as a process for professional development. These agreements help clarify for all individuals how professional development with coaching will work. The process should be transparent. There can be no hidden agendas. Everyone should be aware of the part they play and the responsibility they have toward increasing student achievement.”

In my experience, the reason some coaching relationships get off to a rocky start is because neither the coach nor the teacher have understood their roles clearly. And even when the coach has understood his or her role, the role has not been clearly communicated to the staff. That is why I believe the agreements are so very important.

Establishing the reason for change, how the change will look, and the impact this change will have on the achievement of students is the coach’s primary role. Teachers have to “see through” the changes they make and how they work. The change and the change process needs to be transparent.

Agreements are part of a trade-off. It is necessary to remove the barriers and fears that people have about change and provide the supports that will help them through the changes. As a result, the reasons and excuses for not making changes are eliminated.

Agreeing about the purpose of professional development through coaching means that student learning will increase because of what each teacher learns.

In Literacy Coaching, I list some questions the administrator and coach can use when working with the staff to develop agreements:

• Is it clear that the reason for the change is the gap between our knowledge of instruction and our student achievement?  (So does the staff really understand the need for change?)
• Are the coaches and teachers clear about what needs to happen and how it will be done? (What will coaching look and sound like?)
• Do the coaches and the teachers understand their responsibilities in the process? (What is your role and my role? And why is coaching structured the way it is in this school?)
• Are both the teachers and the coaches clear about what measures of student achievement they will be assessing?  
• Is it clear that student data will be shared consistently to show evidence of success of this process?

                                                        Marilyn

Hi Everyone,

Before I respond with some more thoughts about coaching, I would like to say what everyone seems to say who has the pleasure of being involved in these listserve conversations, I feel fortunate to be among such a committed group of educators. Your questions and comments are thoughtful. You have continued to challenge my thinking. I always grow and learn from these opportunities. So thank you in advance.

One strategy that I think is supportive in developing coach/teacher relationships is being available at the beginning of the year.

In some of the schools I support, the building administrator invites the coaches in early and compensates them for setting up their classrooms. (These are coaches who are in their classrooms half-time and working as a coach half-time). The purpose of this is so they are available to provide support for the rest of the staff as they are setting up classrooms and getting ready for the school year. This has been really valuable, especially for the large number of new teachers in many schools. To be able to have the kinds of conversations we've been having this week right in the classroom is a wonderful form of coaching.

Something that every teacher values is support in administering some initial assessments. This allows the coach to get into the classroom, get to know the students, and be able to talk with the teacher as the assessments are evaluated. In addition, the coach's experience can be used to help the teacher use the information to begin planning for initial instruction. Once again some very important coaching can occur in a rather informal way. It can set the stage for the instructional conversations that are to come.

Over the past several years, we have been doing quite a bit of work in groups. We have analyzed summative data together and looked for trends. We have gathered additional, similar learning information and made decisions about the precise instruction that needs to occur. We have developed some key questions (at the department or grade level) and have worked in the classroom to uncover the answers to some of these questions. The coach has observed the teaching in each classroom and the group has met again to get feedback and come to some conclusions about the instruction that worked and the new questions they have. The work in groups has started rich conversations about teaching and learning and the common questions have encouraged the interaction with the coach in the classrooms.

Finally, many coaches have been successful when working alongside teachers in a co-teaching format at the beginning of the year. Just like anyone who is learning something new, we can benefit from demonstrations (think about Cambourne's Conditions for Learning). Having the coach provide a demonstration, taking time to hear the coach reflect on the demonstration, and planning together for some co-teaching can be another form of coaching that meets teacher's needs. It also provides opportunity for the coach and teacher to talk about where learning is occurring with the students. Nothing will commit a teacher more to being coached than seeing learning occur.

While all of the suggestions above are under the heading of starting the year as a coach, they are strategies to be used all year long based on the needs of the learners. Teachers are like the students we work with. Based upon their learning need, they require different amounts of support to help them make the changes that will impact student learning.

Marilyn

                                                                                           Debbie

Hi Marilyn,

I just retired from my district at the end of the last school year.  In the fall I will be working in several schools in the district that I retired from as a coach and presenter of staff development sessions.  I have coached in the past and many of the relationships that I formed with teachers still exist today, but in several cases things did not go as well.  In fact, I was not effective with some of the teachers.  Your response really piqued my interest.  I want the work I do now to be valuable for the teachers I coach.  I suppose that my worry revolves around how to establish these agreements that you discuss.  I haven't yet pulled your book about coaching off my shelf.  Do you recommend that these agreements be in writing?  Would it be a good idea to type something up (not too wordy, just bullets about the responsibilities for the teacher and for me)?  Then the teacher, the principal, and I could sign them.  Does that sound too stuffy and formal?  I don't want to put up a barrier before we even start.  Thanks in advance for your response.

                                                                                                Marilyn

Hi Debbie,

Congratulations on your retirement. I can close my eyes at any given moment and picture your wonderful, active Pre-K classroom. You will be a wonderful support to teachers.

The development of agreements are similar to the development of expectations with children. In the best of all worlds, they would be done with the whole staff. In Chapter 7, I talk about how the administrator sets the stage by talking about the current school-wide data and the challenges the school is facing in a certain area of student achievement. The principal talks about why coaching has been chosen as the professional development model for the school. The administrator talks about his or her views of the power of coaching as a model and his or her role in this approach. Some of the principals I work with have needed some support to clearly articulate their beliefs.

I would expect administrators to talk about a few important points:

• the purpose of coaching is to improve student achievement
• the focus of coaching is determined by gaps the school sees between what the students need to know and where they currently are
• all teachers are on a continuum of learning and deserve to be coached
• the role of the administrator is to monitor the impact of coaching on both teacher and student growth (this means keeping an eye on the link between improved student achievement and the professional development of the school – knowing when it’s working and when it’s not and being able to analyze why)
• the difference between evaluation and coaching

I see the roles of the coach and teacher being developed through conversation at a staff meeting. What we’re hoping they uncover is that in order for coaching to be effective, it has to be regular, systematic, and focused.

Here is an example of how the product looked from one school. 

Teacher’s Role Before Coaching
Determine a personal challenge based on student achievement
Ask myself some questions around that challenge
Describe (for myself and the coach) what I want to try and make a commitment to trying it
Identify where I need support

Teacher’s Role During Coaching
Set aside a time for the coach to come in
Make sure my instruction at that time is around my question
Be willing to ask for help when I need it
Set aside time to talk with my coach

Coach’s Role Before Coaching
Review teacher's challenge and questions and determine how I can best provide feedback
Plan when I will provide support

Regular, Systematic, Focused
The regular part in the roles above was the teacher and coach planning together and working together regularly (in this school it happens twice a month for each teacher). There is a system to how it works (the teacher identifies a challenge based on student achievement and a personal question around that challenge, the coach reviews the challenge, and provides support for the teacher where needed – sometimes observing in the classroom, sometimes evaluating assessments – it’s all based on teacher need), and the focused part is that it’s about a challenge to student learning — the idea is that if we close the gap in what the teacher needs to know, then the teacher should be able to close the gap in what the child needs to know.

This is certainly not the perfect list but it’s an example of where one school was on its journey to understand everyone’s role a little better. Each year, the staff is revising these expectations based on what might have changed over the course of the year.

I don’t think that any school that I have worked with recently has had anyone sign anything but the staff has been asked if they can agree to the roles. The agreement usually comes at the next staff meeting when people have had a chance to think about it. The roles are posted in the staff room and people are encouraged to ask questions by putting post-it notes on the charts to be talked about when they are back in a group situation.

It’s all about transparency — no hidden agendas, much more success.

Good luck, Debbie! Let me know if you need any other suggestions along the way.
Marilyn

                                                                                           Teresa

Thank you, Marilyn! This discussion has been a wonderful resource at just the right time.

I just accepted a third grade position yesterday. I have 10 days before my students walk into my room (and I haven't even seen it yet). I will definitely be going back over this discussion so that I can effectively prioritize my time these next few days.

This is my first year in 3rd, and I have been out of the classroom for a couple of years. I am feeling a little overwhelmed. Any last minute tips that haven't been mentioned would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks again,
Teresa

Marilyn

Congratulations Teresa!

My last bit of advice would be to keep it as simple as possible the first
few weeks of school.

Our advice to beginning teachers (which you are obviously not, but it might be comforting) is to begin by helping kids understand your expectations first for whole group instruction and independent work.

A simple example - you will be setting expectations for how students come to the meeting space for a reading demonstration or read aloud, You will talk with them about their job and your job for this kind of instruction. You'll spend about 15 minutes reading and talking. Then you could begin to talk about the purpose of independent reading in your classroom, demonstrate and talk about book selection, provide kids the opportunity to choose books, and get them reading while you are moving around the room gathering learning information about their reading.

We could go into a lot more detail of how this might look and sound but the idea of simplicity is that you introduce something through whole group, set expectations, do some whole group instruction, then give kids time to practice independently so that you have the opportunity to gather learning information. If you keep it that simple for the first few weeks, you'll have a tremendous amount of information about your students that will give you a reason to begin small group instruction.

Best wishes for a great return to the classroom. I hope you love it.

Marilyn

Cheryl

Dear Marilyn,

I would like to first thank you for giving of your precious time to help us teach children. This has been an excellent opportunity to share and discuss ideas.

This "last bit of advice" is exactly what I have been looking for to share with my colleague/team member who graduated in May and was hired by our district last week. By beginning small, he will be gaining large.

Once again, thank you for the past four days,

Cheryl in Colorado

                                                                                                Marilyn

 Cheryl,

And he's lucky to have you close by to talk things through. Hope to catch up with you in Colorado sometime!

Marilyn

CLOSING REMARKS
 

Darcy

Dear All,

Marilyn, thanks for your generous sharing of your thinking and time. It was certainly worthwhile, authentic, and engaging. And where would we be without all the wonderful contributions from the readers and writers on this listserve? We appreciate your comments and questions too.

Thank you, as well, to Richard Owen and staff (Phyllis Greenspan, Carolyn Williams and many others) who make all of these discussions possible.

Please stay tuned for an upcoming conversation in September which we will announce shortly. In the meantime, please continue to contribute your comments and questions to the listserve for informal conversations, and do visit our website for your literacy needs, www.rcowen.com.

Cordially and appreciatively to all,

Darcy Bradley
R. C. Owen Publishers

Marilyn

Dear Friends,

I also echo my thanks to everyone at Richard C. Owen publishers. Richard Owen and the people who work with him care deeply about schools, teachers, and children. I have been privileged to have had a long association with that organization.

Today was my grandson's first day of preschool. Because of the web cams on both of our Macs and because of Skype, my computer rang this afternoon and there he was (in California ) telling me (in New Zealand) all about the wonderful first day he had.

He has been on my mind a lot this week as we have had this conversation. The future of education is ever so important to me as the "wee ones" in my life enter school. The conversations with each of you and the kinds of reflections that occurred make me enthusiastic about the future of my grandkids’ educations.

Thanks for the opportunity to talk about good beginnings. I wish you the best for the school year and invite any of you to contact me if you want to chat more.

Kind regards,

Marilyn

PS... Any of you teach Kindergarten in Lodi, California? (we only have two years before he starts there !!)

Richard

Good morning Friends,

In a short time the sun will rise on the East Coast. It is such strange, crazy world we live in isn't it? Conversations that are world wide and ongoing. Sometimes it feels like there is no end and no beginning. But we do know there is change. Not always the changes we want but we learn to live with change and to find continuity in the experiences. We learn to take what works and leave the rest.

I greatly appreciate these conversations. They are reminders of so much that is good about teaching and schooling. And especially about the people in the schools and classrooms. The energy seems boundless. Eagerness bursts forth yet again, just like that sun I know will soon be visible on the horizon. It's another school year and you all are part of it.

Thank you for letting us be part of it too. Thank you Darcy for putting this together. And thank you Marilyn for opening so many doors and for sharing so many good ideas about how to get the year started right. This has been a real pleasure for me.

If you folks haven't yet read Marilyn's two books, The Kindergarten Book or Literacy Coaching, I urge you to get them. They are gems. And a reminder: If you will be using either book as a text this fall or as part of a faculty study, contact me offlist about the possibility of an online author visit during the term.

Thank you all. And as Darcy says, do stay tuned for information about the next conversation. In the meantime, please use the listserve to explore all of your interests in teaching and learning.

Richard Owen

                                                                                      Debbie

Marilyn,

A note before the end of my day.  It has been a pleasure reading your responses to everyone's questions.  I feel blessed to have read them and participated in them this week.  The ideas are wonderful - I will take them all with me.

Thank you,

Debbie

Jeri

First, Marilyn and secondly all of the wonderful teachers on this list, THANK YOU! for all that you have shared. Wonderful ideas and thoughts have been shared. I have learned and I have reaffirmed my own knowledge and for that I again say thank you all for your time.

Jeri

                                                                                                Linda

Richard,

Thank you so much for the opportunity to be a part (mostly as an onlooker) of these conversations.  I have acquired so many ideas that I want to use this year.  I look forward to the next conversation.

Thanks again.

Linda