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Duncan - October 25-26, 2007
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Richard Owen
Good evening everyone,
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Marilyn Duncan
Dear Richard and friends,
Thank you for inviting me to be part of another listserve conversation. I have followed all the recent conversations and have found them both engaging and enlightening. I look forward to this discussion and the reflection that we’ll have together. I am writing from New Zealand so there will be some delay in my responses as a result of our time differences.
As Richard mentioned, I have been involved in literacy coaching for the past fifteen years. I was trained through The Learning Network as a “teacher leader” (literacy coach) when coaching wasn’t even cool yet!
There were many things I valued about that training. It was focused in the first year in my own classroom on the development of my knowledge of content and my knowledge of teaching and learning. I had the support of my building administrator who was alongside my coach during much of my training. I had the opportunity to work with a group of other literacy coaches in training so our reflection was collaborative – we were in this together. I was provided consistent feedback (instructional dialogue) on my own classroom practice and had opportunities to watch others in instructional dialogue as well. Most importantly, I saw the impact of coaching on the learning of my students. These experiences gave me the foundation of my beliefs.
My beliefs about coaching are pretty simple. I believe: · the outcome of every coaching experience is a change in classroom instruction leading to improvement in student learning. · that all teachers are on a continuum of learning and deserve the opportunity to reflect about their current questions or challenges around student learning. · a coach’s feedback supports the teacher in refining his or her reflection making changes in instruction that impacts student learning. · coaching is most effective when it is led by the building administrator and when the faculty has met through collaborative discussion and come to agreements about how coaching will work in their school. Perhaps we begin our discussion by considering the range of skills coaches should be developing to be effective with the teachers they work alongside. I welcome your thoughts and questions.
Kind regards, Marilyn
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Kathy
Hello Marilyn,
I'm thrilled to be able to participate in this discussion. I'm a year one teacher leader/coach (though not new to TLN practice and philosophy). I've only had two visits with Geri and I can already see changes in my classroom practice. (She is wonderful!) We have been focusing our observations and dialogues on Brian Cambourne's Conditions of Learning. I'm feeling more comfortable and intentional in putting the Conditions of Learning in place in my second grade classroom...however in addition to being a second grade teacher I am also the Professional Development Coordinator for our district. My understanding is that in order for teachers to move forward in their learning the COL need to be in place for them as well. How do I get started putting the Conditions of Learning in place for the teachers I will be working with as a coach (and as a PD Coordinator)? Thanks.
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Marilyn
Hello Kathy,
Congratulations in your new role as teacher leader/coach. You're lucky to be working with Geri.
I was excited about your question because I just had a long email discussion with an administrator I work with in Colorado about this very topic. One thing that I love about digging into theory (like the Conditions of Learning) is that each time I explore this "stuff" I uncover something I haven't really thought about before.
In this administrator's situation, she has a group of teachers who are challenged with seeing their students as having strengths. They look at their outward challenges (poverty, second language, etc.) and are currently overwhelmed by what they "cannot do." Add this to the pressures they are under for achievement and it probably doesn't seem unusual that it feels easier to blame the kids than to uncover their own challenges as teachers.
So I was thinking about how to respond to her frustration and as I began to revise my rather blabby, lengthy response, I realized that what I was suggesting fit really well with the conditions of learning. I thought about expectation, demonstration, approximation, and feedback.
Expectation These teachers are being asked to implement a new writing program. They have had professional development on the writing program and are being expected to instruct a new genre of writing this quarter. My question to the administrator was "Are teachers expected to 'do the genre/program' or are they expected to develop the skills of their writers in this specific genre?" In other words, are they trying to get the program "right" or are they focused on the instruction of skills that will support the development of their writers? Have the teachers set expectations for what their students will learn in the next three weeks and how their instruction will need to change?
Demonstration I think we would agree that demonstrations are not just something our students need - teachers need demonstrations as well. But I wonder if our demonstrations for teachers often focus on how to do something (how to "do" guided reading) rather than how to support the learning of students. Do the demonstrations we provide as coaches begin with a conversation around the data we have collected about our learners or are they just about how to do something? One reason that I believe strong content and practice knowledge are so important for a coach is that the coach has to have the ability to quickly impact learning of kids during the demonstration. Nothing will convince teachers faster than seeing a child (or children) whom they have struggled to impact, learn right in front of their eyes during a demonstration.
Approximation I also think that we don't think about the gradual release of support with teachers. We provide maximal support through our demonstrations and then we expect the teacher to get it right the next time they face the same challenge with student learning. Are we providing the opportunity for some co-teaching where the teacher has the opportunity for approximating their new skill? Once I have a good relationship with a teacher, I sit alongside him or her when they are teaching and sometimes suggest the next question, or comment to kids so that the teacher experiences how it feels to make a closer approximation than they might on their own.
Feedback Another thing I'm noticing lately is that many teachers are being provided high quality professional development around a table, being provided demonstrations by the coach, but not receiving feedback about the impact of their instruction once they begin approximating. If the expectation has been set about the learning we expect to occur, the demonstration has been provided, some co-teaching has been in place if needed, then the logical next step is to find out the kind of feedback the teacher would like and provide it.
It seems as if this process might take a long time - it's going slow to go fast. The whole idea is being able to support the teacher to see the impact on student learning.
Hope this is helpful! It's morning in NZ and I'm trying not to hyperventilate as I see how busy you have all been while I was sleeping. Please be patient as I type away!
Marilyn
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Freida
Marilyn, I think your comment about “find out what kind of feedback the teacher would like and provide it” is important, especially in light of the conversation that we had while you were sleeping! I find that teachers want to learn more about how to be better at their jobs, and being respectful enough to ask them what they want to know is important for making them feel like we are learning together.
I also like your comment about gradual release of responsibility with teachers. We forget adult learners need all the same things our classroom of kids need. Teaching procedures is another thing I think that we sometimes assume teachers should just know.
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Marilyn
I think the only way to convince teachers that coaching is about their learning is when it really is about their learning. So while the student data drives the focus -- the teachers have to be in the driver’s seat about their questions and the kind of support they want.
Marilyn
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Marcia
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Marilyn
Hello Marcia,
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Wendy
Good Morning Marilyn and all,
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Marilyn
Dear Wendy,
I think those of us who really embraced Brian Cambourne's work do have the conditions of learning embedded as a checklist as we work through processes. What I really find fascinating is when I am thinking through a challenge and all of a sudden - Wham! - there they are, making the solution much easier to explain and understand.
I appreciate your comments about the use of language in the coaching book. As you well know, determining the language to use when you are trying to make your meaning clear is so much more challenging when writing than when speaking. It seemed a little easier for me in the coaching book than the kindergarten book because I had to think much more clearly about how I expressed myself when speaking as a coach. One of the examples I remember distinctly was making a shift from using the word "I" with the teachers I supported to "we." As Mark mentioned in his post - "we are all in this together." The use of the word "I" when coaching made it feel as if the reflection was something I was doing to them rather than the two of us working through their question together. It was one of those low leverage, high impact changes. It seemed small but it had huge implications.
Thanks again for your kind words of support.
Marilyn
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Carla
Hi Marilyn and others,
B. Cambourne’s conditions of learning has been referenced several times throughout the discussions. I’ve searched several publishers and found some books by Cambourne, but the book descriptions do not mention conditions of learning. I’m wondering if anyone has a particular title or two that focuses on his theory.
I have taught 20 years in grades 1 through 6. I am currently a title teacher in an all sixth grade building and have my masters in reading. Our district does not have literacy coaches, but I strongly believe that in order to make changes in instruction to improve student learning, teachers need ongoing support and guidance. However, our superintendent does not feel the same. I intend to meet with him to discuss the advantages of literacy coaching. I am wondering if you have any advice or suggestions for me. (I have read your book and several others related to coaching and teachers as leaders, and I’ve printed off your key beliefs in your first post.) Thanks for giving us the opportunity to have these conversations.
Carla
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Katie
A pdf file to download about the Conditions for Learning from FLARE - Florida Literacy and Reading Excellence website:
Role of Social Interactions in Learning
Immersion - saturating the learner with literacy experiences. Demonstration – modeling literate behaviors, formally and informally. Expectation – learners “get the message” that they can and will learn. Responsibility – learners choose what they will “try out” or explore intellectually as they are continuously immersed in demonstrations of literate behaviors. Approximations – learners approximate literacy behaviors at their own level of development. They are not required to understand and use all aspects of literacy appropriately before attempting to use what they do know. Employment – opportunities to use and practice what they are learning alone and with others. Response – formal and informal feedback. Engagement – learners must actively participate in literacy experiences. Learners are more likely to engage in literacy activities when the other conditions are present.
Don Holdaway (2000), a member of the International Reading Association’s Hall of Fame, describes similar conditions for learning:
Demonstration – immersion in environments of skill use that lead to learners’ engagement in approximating what they have observed. Participation – learners choose which demonstrations (responsibility) to approximate. The teacher (formally or informally) often responds to these approximations on the spot. Role Playing or Practice – Holdaway emphasizes the importance of self-correction. This is a form of self response that supports the development of “learning-to-learn” (Holdaway, 2000, p. 15). Performance – “an appeal for group acknowledgement, not an appeal to be judged better than the others” (Holdaway, 2000, p. 16).
These conditions do not exist in isolation. For example, a learner’s ability and willingness to approximate behaviors in which she has not been immersed and seen demonstrated is unlikely. Both Cambourne and Holdaway have described conditions for learning in isolation but emphasize the synergy between them in actual practice.
These conditions provide a foundation for learning that should be woven throughout all aspects of the classroom environment. Cambourne (2000) described three elements of the learning environment that impact literacy learning. They include: the physical environment, including materials, interactions between the teacher, learners and the materials, and
routines and events. Katie Moeller, Coordinator The Learning Network
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Marilyn
Hello Joyce,
Another resource that I have valued over the years is Donald Shon's book - The Reflective Practitioner: How Professionals Think in Action. Reading that resource provided a developmental model for some of our initial work with Instructional Dialogue. Reflection is not a step-by-step process. Where one phase ends and the other begins is often hard to determine. My attempt to describe it simply is below.
Shon talks about the need for the "professional" to describe the situation The teacher is talking about his or her student data and instructional practices. The skill of the coach is to listen carefully to what the teacher is saying to plan support for the teacher's reflection.
analyze the description The teacher is thinking about what the data is telling him/her. The skill of the coach is to listen and ask the kinds of questions that will lead the teacher to deeper analysis of the information.
challenge their thinking about what they know and what they need to know The teacher is coming to understand the changes that need to be made in instruction that will improve student learning. The skill of the coach through skillful questioning is to keep the teacher's focus on student learning and how instruction will change.
reconstruct - change the instructional practice based on what they now have learned The teacher makes a commitment to the change in practice and can articulate how this will happen and why it's important. The skill of the coach is having the knowledge to support this articulation and the skill to provide feedback when following up the implementation in the classroom.
This developmental cycle is one more support as coaches begin to think about how support can be provided.
Marilyn
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Wendy
Thanks Marilyn, It sounds like that would be a good read along side yours. Sometimes we need to find different paths to the same outcome. I love Carol Rodgers' work too who teaches us to see without judgment which is also your message.
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Debbie
Most of the articles I have of Brian Cambourne’s are from NCTE publications. He's also published a book called something like Responsive Evaluation dealing with assessment.
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Shelley
The Whole Story by Brian Cambourne is one text and he has written
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Wendy
Hi Carla,
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Marilyn
Hello Carla,
It's a beautiful and chilly spring morning here in New Zealand and I have been excited to wake up and read all of your great posts. I see that you've had lots of support while I was sleeping in sourcing information about Cambourne's Conditions of Learning. My favorite is still The Whole Story. It's been hard to find over the past few years but it's always a great read and reread.
In my experience, the best way to get a superintendent's attention in a meeting is with compelling data. When I meet with the superintendent I usually precede the meeting by sending the superintendent a brief (1-2 page paper) around what I want to talk about. I have learned through the years that if it's more than two pages most people won't read it. I bring with me data (prepared in color, with graphs what will quickly allow me to tell the story I want to tell).
What information would I bring to the table with this superintendent? - Chapter 8 in my book gives an overview of the research that supports instructional dialogue (Qualities of Effective Instruction, Job-embedded professional development, Teacher choice in their own learning, Reflection, and Feedback). - You might also look at the Literacy Coaching Clearinghouse website (NCTE and IRA sponsor this). There is a library where you can search research. http://www.literacycoachingonline.org/library.html - There are some data examples on the Richard C Owen website from schools supported by The Learning Network that might be of interest to your superintendent http://www.rcowen.com/TLN-Making%20News.htm - There is also compelling data from Boston Public Schools about their Collaborative Coaching model http://www.bpe.org/research.htm - Here's another article written by Theresa Deussen and Marsha Riddle Buly http://www.nwrel.org/nwedu/12-01/brief/
I think we all realize there is not enough research to directly link the impact of literacy coaching on student achievement but maybe some of you on this listserve have additional data to share.
I wouldn't bring all of this information to the superintendent but I would pick one or two items to share that I could talk very convincingly about. And if you have stories of the impact of approximations of coaching through your work (with teachers and the impact on kids) I'd share that as well. Many researchers say that good research is really supported by good stories.
Good luck!
Marilyn
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Carla, In order to make a sound proposal for using coaching, I would
encourage you to look up the work of Bruce Joyce and Beverly Showers.
Their research makes a strong case that other forms of professional
development e.g. demonstration, modeling, information (like a workshop
etc.) basically do not get at any capacity building. Only when a
coach is involved in supporting a new innovation, can the innovation
take hold and become part of a culture.
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I'd like to explore the idea of putting Conditions for Learning at a bit deeper level as we apply them to our work with adults-both in the coaching sessions and the area of professional development. I so often see that when we start planning professional development at a district level for adults, our understanding of using The Teaching Learning Cycle and the Conditions of Learning suddenly seem to go underground. Across the country, I still see mostly "one size fits all" for professional development. These constructs of Conditions of Learning and The Teaching Learning Cycle and the Reflective Process are part of my soul, so it's easy for me to see the vision of how they are used at all levels at all times. I'm struggling with the application of these ideas at the district level and would love to dig a bit deeper into this notion.
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Marilyn
Hello Geri,
I think this is a great topic. I would bet that anyone who sits very often at district level meetings would whole heartedly agree with you. I still believe that facilitation of large groups of adults is the most challenging professional development that I've experienced. And I believe that many people are put into the role of facilitator without a lot of facilitation experience. I think that planning meetings for these district experiences often focus on the content but seldom focus on the facilitation.
When I think about high quality professional development at the district level, I think of what might make up the qualities for successful professional development.
Content - Clearly stated outcomes based on identified needs of participants How often are district meetings planned around the idea that the facilitators are responsible for the learning of participants? What do we want these folks to learn and how will that learning be evidenced in their work? - Time for reflection on research, theory, content Do we provide opportunity for participants to read and reflect on information that links directly to the outcome? What information are we using to help deliver the content? - Time for reflection on the participants "real work" What data will participants be asked to bring that will link what they are learning to what they are doing in their schools? How can we ensure the data brought will be manageable and meaningful? - Commitment made by participants to implement new learning What will we expect people to be able to do when they go back to their jobs? How will we provide feedback? How will we know that what we have taught has been learned? What evidence are we looking for on the job? - Reflections about the quality of the content and facilitation by the participants What evaluation questions will help us evaluate the effectiveness of this meeting (both content and facilitation)? What do we want to know?
Facilitation - Agenda with outcomes and expectations of learning available to participants How transparent are we about what we want folks to learn and how would we like them to apply that learning? - Careful planning for how time will be used What information will need to be delivered to the whole group? Where will we provide time for personal reflection? What might be the advantage of working in pairs? When will small groups be effective and why will we group this way? How will people be asked to share information from the groups they work with? What opportunities might present themselves for people to go out and practice what they are learning in small groups in their schools, then come back to debrief? If we can't get out into buildings, what other tools can we use to make the practice more meaningful? - Opportunity to debrief facilitation and plan to collect feedback around the effectiveness of this meeting How will we use this information from the evaluation to plan for our work with these people? What does the evaluation tell us about changes we might need to make in either content or facilitation or both?
What do you think? Marilyn
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Your coaching training is similar to mine. I totally share in your philosophy as well. However, when all is said and done, the teachers still don’t want to be coached!!! I have tried to allow teachers the flexibility to sign up for coaching times and pick areas they want some support. It finally comes to the point where I just say, “I am assigning this time.” I have done most anything and everything to make the experience positive and non-threatening. I find that many teachers do not feel a need to be coached. As hard as I try to convince them that we are in this together for the sake of the children, it continues to be an issue. I want it to be a professional dialogue around student learning. The teachers know that coaching is an expected component of our professional lives but they sure seem to struggle with the concept. Any suggestions?
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Katie
the teachers still don’t want to be coached!!!
The above statement is very true. However, a big difference in the model of coaching the Learning Network has designed over the years and what I see school districts adopting is a structure that includes a role for administrators. Marilyn does a nice job describing that structure in her book on pages 77, 78, and 79.
Many districts simply adopt coaching and it is up to the teachers and the coach to figure out how the process is going to work. There has to be development of the structures and "way of work."
It is the leader's role to help the faculty understand that being coached is a process of learning that is part of the culture of the school. It is the way we do things around here....is the message that becomes part of what the school is all about.
Unfortunately because of historic experiences, people tend to think being coached means being in need of improvement. Therefore the fears have to be addressed, structures have to be put in place, roles have to be defined and the leader has to lead! :) Coaches can not work in isolation; they work with the administrator and the teachers to help support effective teaching and learning.
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Marilyn
Hi Gen,
Katie hits the nail on the head when she says, "Coaches can not work in isolation; they work with the administrator and the teachers to help support effective teaching and learning." Coaching is not a job you can do by yourself.
Chapter 7 in my coaching book talks about the process one school used to determine the focus for coaching. And the focus was all around student achievement data. In this example, the school's data shows that less than 25% of students have achieved proficiency in writing on the state assessment. This data ends the conversation about whether coaching is needed or not. The data provide the brutal facts about writing in this school and the need for the staff (as a group) to solve the challenges students are facing.
In schools where I'm currently working, many of the personal challenges that teachers face with student achievement come out of discussions in grade level meetings. When the conversation begins with current challenges around student learning, teachers are sometimes more willing to open up about where they are stuck and the kids they are stuck with. Even though that conversation may be focused around what certain kids can't do, the coach can often turn those comments into a good professional development question.
For instance, one group of teachers I was working with recently were sure they could not use the new resources for reading instruction because their second language kids had "no background knowledge." After a long discussion among the team about what the kids didn't know -- I said, "So it sounds like our question is - What kind of questions do we have to ask to determine the background knowledge our students have?" I'm not sure they were all convinced that was the question they had - but they couldn't argue that background knowledge was their issue. We discussed strategies for tapping into kids’ background knowledge by planning for some shared reading instruction. I demonstrated with kids and they all watched. We found that these kids knew a lot more than the teachers expected them to know. Following that demonstration they were a little more willing to give the resources a try. We talked as a group about what we'd try individually, we talked about how we'd be provided feedback, and we talked about the data we would bring when we came back in two weeks to the next grade level meeting.
So whether or not you are determining the focus of coaching with an individual or a small group, I think there are structures that are helpful.
Expectation - The building administrator sets the expectation that the focus of coaching will be around the gaps in student achievement. Regular - The work with the coach will be regular (grade level meetings, individual coaching happen on a regular basis). Systematic - There will be a system to the way we work (we review student data, we look for personal challenges to instruction as a result of that data, we determine the kind of support we need with instruction, we plan for that support and the impact our commitment to changing instruction will have on student learning - what do we expect to see in 2/3 weeks). Focused - It's all about changes in instruction that will impact student learning.
Hope this is helpful.
Marilyn
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Yvonne
One of things I always ask when working with teachers is: "What can I do
to help you do your work better?" Another important question to ask
teachers is: "Was that helpful? Why or why not?"
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Marilyn
Dear Yvonne,
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